[CoasterCrazy]

A couple things of interest on your updated list that I would appreciate explanations on are the positions of Patriot and Maverick. Most people rate Patriot much lower than you did, and I see that you have other larger inverts that are generally deemed better rides (Talon, Montu) below it. Maverick on the other hand, you have much lower than most people who have ridden it (granted on this site, alot of them are CP fanboys but still).

[steel-Rock]

Talon and Patriot are brothers and are almost identical. Try watching videos side by side on YouTube; it's fun. Their layouts are the same. The drop heights are within 3 ft of each other and the big loops have a 9 ft difference. Both are very very smooth and didn't use breaks until the end. I liked the dipping down to the ground with possible moments of - and + g's. The one is only above the other because of aesthetics of the coaster and in the area (red and blue, grass that's more green, gravel that looks better, etc). Montu has more inversions but it uses breaks a little too much and the end is a little rough but boring. Afterburn, Raptor, and Great Bear didn't offer me anything that really made them stand out. I have ridden 6 Batman clones. This is going to sound cocky, but if I have to ride one more I am going to be sleeping when we go back into the station.
Maverick is pretty good; it's not a bad ride by any means. It's a little too rough. I dislike all OTSR's. Arrow's and Vekoma's can be the most painful, but Intamin's aren't much better. For taller people like myself, all that sideways twisting hurts. (After going back to ride Millennium Force for the first time in two years, I dropped it's ranking down two spots. No wooden has a rating above an 8 for the same reason --turns or twists that are rough hurt even without upper body restraints.)

I didn't have time before, and now I should not forget my new wooden list.
Even though I can't ride anything that is defunct, if I put that list here my whole coaster story will be on one thread.

----------- WOODEN -----------

1. Lightning Racer, Lightning ..... GCI ..... Racer
2. Lightning Racer, Thunder ..... GCI ..... Racer
3. Thunderhead ..... GCI ..... Twisted
***** 4. Prowler ..... GCI ..... Twisted Terrain *****
5. Wild One ..... Dinn ..... Out-And-Back
6. Comet (Hershey) ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Out-And-Back
7. Wildcat (Hershey) ..... GCI ..... Twisted
***** 8. Evil Knievel ..... GCI ..... Twisted *****
9. Kentucky Rumbler ..... GCI ..... Twisted
10. Beast ..... Dinn ..... Out-And-Back
11. Voyage ..... Gravity Group ..... Out-And-Back (Hybrid)
12. Roar (SFA) ..... GCI ..... Twisted
13. El Toro ..... Intamin ..... Out-And-Back (Prefab)
14. Legend ..... CCI ..... Terrain
15. Judge Roy Scream ..... Rosser / Cobb ..... Out-And-Back
16. Racer (KI) ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Out-And-Back
17. Jack Rabbit (Kennywood) ..... Mach ..... Out-And-Back
***** 18. Boss ..... CCI ..... Twisted Terrain *****
***** 19. Screamin' Eagle ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Out-And-Back *****
20. Thunderbolt (Kennywood) ..... Vettel ..... Terrain
21. Georgia Cyclone ..... Dinn ..... Twisted
22. Raven ..... CCI ..... Terrain
23. Gwazi, Lion ..... GCI ..... Twisted
24. Gwazi, Tiger ..... GCI ..... Twisted
25. Blue Streak (CP) ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Out-And-Back
26. G.A.S.M. ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Out-And-Back
27. Grizzly (KD) ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Out-And-Back
***** 28. Arkansas Twister ..... Rosser / Black ..... Out-And-Back *****
29. Hurler (Carowinds) ..... International ..... Out-And-Back
30. Hurler (KD) ..... International ..... Out-And-Back
31. Rebel Yell ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Out-And-Back
32. Rolling Thunder (SFGAV) ..... Rosser / Cobb ..... Out-And-Back
33. Thunder Road ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Out-And-Back
34. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad (WDW) ..... Disney ..... Mine Train (Custom-Hybrid)
35. Cheetah ..... CCI ..... (Hybrid)
***** 36. Timber Wolf ..... Dinn ..... Out-And-Back *****
37. Racer (Kennywood) ..... Mach ..... Out-And-Back
38. Thunderhawk (Dorney) ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Out-And-Back
39. Mean Streak ..... Dinn ..... Twisted
40. Rattler ..... Pierce ..... Terrain
41. Scooby Doo's Ghoster (KD) ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Family
42. Fairly Odd Coaster (CW) ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Family
43. Fairly Odd Coaster (KI) ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Family

***** These Are New Rides This Year *****



----------- DEFUNCT ("Closed", "In Storage", "SBNO" or Moved Out Of North America) -----------

1. Déjà Vu (SFOG) .... Vekoma ..... Impulse Invert
2. Son of Beast ..... RCOA ..... Hyper Wooden
3. Chang ..... B&M ..... Stand-Up
4. Batman And Robin Chiller: Robin ..... Premier ..... LIM Shuttle Loop
5. Big Bad Wolf ..... Arrow ..... Terrain Suspended
6. T2 ..... Vekoma ..... SLC
7. HyperSonic XLC ..... S&S Power ..... Compressed Air Launch
8. Greezed Lightnin' ..... Schwarzkopf ..... Shuttle Loop
9. King Kobra (KD) ..... Schwarzkopf ..... Shuttle Loop
10. Flying Super Saturator ..... Setpoint ..... Suspended Soaking
11. Thunder Run (SFKK) ..... Dinn ..... Wooden
12. Python (BGA) ..... Arrow ..... Corkscrew
13. Tiger Terror ..... Wisdom ..... Family
14. Laser ..... Schwarzkopf ..... Double Loop
15. Texas Giant ..... Dinn ..... Wooden
16. Roller Skater ..... Vekoma ..... Family
17. Road Runner Express ..... Maurer Söhne ..... Wild Mouse
18. Gold Rush ..... Chance ..... Kiddie

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Anyone, please feel free to make any comments on any of these lists. Even though this is all a matter of opinions, debates make for good talking.

[Jeremie]

As we both rode Prowler and Evel Knievel this month, why did you prefer Prowler over Evel Knievel? Honestly, Evel Knievel has more air and has a more exciting layout, while Prowler is curves and little dips...

That is all

[steel-Rock]

^ They were both exceptional. I loved the hops on Knievel that gave the "air", but it was a little small and over with quick.

Prowler has a simple layout, but we go flying through the terrain. Once it gets going it never slows down. What a rush!

Both are in my top woodens. After I re-ride 5, 6, 7 something could be moved around. My steel list has been changed, so could this.

[Brad]

1. Millennium Force, Cedar Point
2. Intimidator, Carowinds
3. Manta, SeaWorld Orlando
4. Magnum XL-200, Cedar Point
5. Afterburn, Carowinds
6. Kumba, Busch Gardens Tampa
7. Montu, Busch Gardens Tampa
8. Apollo's Chariot, Busch Gardens Williamsburg
9. Intimidator 305, Kings Dominion
10. Talon, Dorney Park
11. Beast, Kings Island
12. Steel Force, Dorney Park
13. Top Thrill Dragster, Cedar Point
14. Diamondback, Kings Island
15. Alpengeist, Busch Gardens Williamsburg
16. Fahrenheit, Hersheypark
17. Vortex, Kings Island
18. Superman - Ride of Steel, Six Flags America
19. Kraken, SeaWorld Orlando
20. Loch Ness Monster, Busch Gardens Williamsburg
21. Griffon, Busch Gardens Williamsburg
22. Wild One, Six Flags America
23. SheiKra, Busch Gardens Tampa
24. Wildcat, Hersheypark
25. Carolina Cyclone, Carowinds
26. Joker's Jinx, Six Flags America
27. Storm Runner, Hersheypark
28. Maverick, Cedar Point
29. Sidewinder, Hersheypark
30. Flight of Fear, Kings Dominion
31. Hurler, Kings Dominion
32. Dominator, Kings Dominion
33. Wicked Twister, Cedar Point
34. Grizzly, Kings Dominion
35. Raptor, Cedar Point
36. Volcano The Blast Coaster, Kings Dominion
37. Great Bear, Hersheypark
38. Gemini (Blue), Cedar Point
39. Gemini (Red), Cedar Point
40. Big Bad Wolf, Busch Gardens Williamsburg
41. Vortex, Carowinds
42. Firehawk, Kings Island
43. Flight of Fear, Kings Island
44. Lightning Racer (Thunder), Hersheypark
45. Lightning Racer (Lightning), Hersheypark
46. Comet, Hersheypark
47. Corkscrew, Cedar Point
48. Sooperdooperlooper, Hersheypark
49. Carolina Cobra, Carowinds
50. Hydra the Revenge, Dorney Park
51. Iron Dragon, Cedar Point
52. Adventure Express, Kings Island
53. Scorpion, Busch Gardens Tampa
54. Disaster Transport, Cedar Point
55. Shockwave, Kings Dominion
56. Anaconda, Kings Dominion
57. Flight Deck, Kings Island
58. Cedar Creek Mine Ride, Cedar Point
59. Roar, Six Flags America
60. Backlot Stunt Coaster, Kings Dominion
61. Racer (Blue), Kings Island
62. Racer (Red), Kings Island
63. Hurler, Carowinds
64. Mantis, Cedar Point
65. Backlot Stunt Coaster, Kings Island
66. Journey To Atlantis, SeaWorld Orlando
67. Carolina Goldrusher, Carowinds
68. Wild Mouse, Hersheypark
69. Rebel Yell Southside, Kings Dominion
70. Rebel Yell Northside, Kings Dominion
71. Blue Streak, Cedar Point
72. Thunder Road Southside, Carowinds
73. Thunder Road Northside, Carowinds
74. Ricochet, Carowinds
75. Mind Eraser, Six Flags America
76. Python, Busch Gardens Tampa
77. Gwazi (Tiger), Busch Gardens Tampa
78. Gwazi (Lion), Busch Gardens Tampa
79. Wildcat, Cedar Point
80. Wild Maus, Busch Gardens Williamsburg
81. Woodstock Express, Cedar Point
82. Ghoster Coaster, Kings Dominion
83. Trailblazer, Hersheypark
84. Air Grover, Busch Gardens Tampa
85. Grover's Alpine Express, Busch Gardens Williamsburg
86. Shamu Express, SeaWorld Orlando
87. Woodstock Express, Carowinds
88. Woodstock Express, Kings Islands
89. Ricochet, Kings Dominion
90. Possessed, Dorney Park
91. Mean Streak, Cedar Point
92. Barnstormer, Walt Disney World Magic Kingdom
93. Avalanche, Kings Dominion
94. Lucy's Crabbie Cabbie, Carowinds
95. Flying Ace Aerial Chase, Carowinds
96. Flying Ace Aerial Chase, Kings Island
97. Batwing, Six Flags America
98. Wild Mouse, Dorney Park
99. Great Pumpkin Coaster, Kings Island
100. Taxi Jam, Kings Dominion
101. Hypersonic XLC, Kings Dominion
102. Invertigo, Kings Island
103. Crazy Mouse, Myrtle Beach Grand Prix
104. Great Chase, Six Flags America
105. Thunderhawk, Dorney Park

*Next year I should be adding Southern California and some Southern parks.

*Questions/comments/concerns for my sanity welcome.

[steel-Rock]

I was wondering why you put simple rides like Carolina Cyclone and Sidewinder in the top half above very popular ones like Raptor and Volcano.

Gemini and Lightning Racer seemed very low ranked.

What happened that made you send Possessed and Batwing so close to the bottom?

I too agree that Thunderhawk isn't good at all; it can be dropped to the last.

[Brad]

steel-Rock, on 13 August 2010 - 05:09 AM, said:

I was wondering why you put simple rides like Carolina Cyclone and Sidewinder in the top half above very popular ones like Raptor and Volcano.

Raptor was crap for a B&M Invert. It wasn't smooth, it had a lot of dead spots where nothing interesting happened. Volcano's just a one trick pony with little thrill. It has a strong launch but after the vertical climb through the volcano it dies. Carolina Cyclone holds its intensity throughout the whole ride and is just fun. I rode Sidewinder when I was still partially GP, but I remember it being smooth and intense.

steel-Rock, on 13 August 2010 - 05:09 AM, said:

Gemini and Lightning Racer seemed very low ranked.

Gemini and Lightning Racer are both in my top half. I love both of them but Gemini is so simple. Gemini is a fun ride, but the layout is simple and if you sit in a wheel seat it ain't exactly easy on the back. Lightning Racer was a lot of fun, but it shuffled quite a bit.

steel-Rock, on 13 August 2010 - 05:09 AM, said:

What happened that made you send Possessed and Batwing so close to the bottom?

Batwing and Possessed can legitimately be classified as crap. Possessed shuffled and made all sorts of odd noises. Not only that, it made me ridiculously dizzy. Batwing just sucks. The pacing is horrible and it shuffled to the point that it hurt my hips.

[steel-Rock]

Brad, on 13 August 2010 - 11:43 AM, said:

Volcano's just a one trick pony with little thrill. It has a strong launch but after the vertical climb through the volcano it dies. I rode Sidewinder when I was still partially GP, but I remember it being smooth and intense.

Gemini and Lightning Racer are both in my top half. I love both of them but Gemini is so simple. Gemini is a fun ride, but the layout is simple and if you sit in a wheel seat it ain't exactly easy on the back. Lightning Racer was a lot of fun, but it shuffled quite a bit.

Batwing and Possessed can legitimately be classified as crap. Possessed shuffled and made all sorts of odd noises. Not only that, it made me ridiculously dizzy. Batwing just sucks. The pacing is horrible and it shuffled to the point that it hurt my hips.

I kind of feel the same way about both Volcano and Sidewinder . I wish that Volcano's inversions weren't all the same. The "big" drop should be bigger and not right at the end. Sidewinder stands out as the best sit down boomerang.

In the case of Gemini, "simple" is done right and very good. Maybe I was never in the wrong seat, but it has always been glass smooth for me.

Batwing seemed like the one good Vekoma flyer. After riding more of B&M's since then, maybe I need to re-ride that one.

You keep saying "shuffled". I'm not sure what you mean by that.

[Daniel Westfall]

I think he means "shimmied"

[Nessie]

New ones are in bold

• Blue Streak
  
  
• Medusa
  
  
• Loch Ness Monster
  
  
• Big Bad Wolf
  
  
• Kong
  
  
• V2
  
  
• Roar
  
  
• Wildcat
  
  
• Boomerang
  
  
• Wild Maus
  
  
• Disaster Transport
  
  
• Tony Hawk's Big Spin
  
  
• Dragging Iron, I mean Iron Dragon
  
  
• Cedar Creek Mine Ride
  
  
• Grover's Alpine Express
  
  
• Corkscrewed, a.k.a Crapscrew, a.k.a Corkscrew

This post has been edited by Nessie: 21 August 2010 - 09:21 PM

[KD Fanatic]

steel-Rock, I'm just curious as to why you ranked Hurler better than Rebel Yell?

[steel-Rock]

^ I'm sorry, I made some mistakes. There are some "out-and-back" woodens that kick butt, however most are just so so.
I got in the habit of just keeping the "normal" ones in alphabetical order. This is the way my wooden list should look:

1. Lightning Racer, Lightning ..... GCI ..... Racer
2. Lightning Racer, Thunder ..... GCI ..... Racer
3. Thunderhead ..... GCI ..... Twisted
***** 4. Prowler ..... GCI ..... Twisted Terrain *****
5. Wild One ..... Dinn ..... Out-And-Back
6. Comet (Hershey) ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Out-And-Back
7. Wildcat (Hershey) ..... GCI ..... Twisted
***** 8. Evil Knievel ..... GCI ..... Twisted *****
9. Kentucky Rumbler ..... GCI ..... Twisted
10. Beast ..... Dinn ..... Out-And-Back
11. Voyage ..... Gravity Group ..... Out-And-Back (Hybrid)
12. Roar (SFA) ..... GCI ..... Twisted
13. El Toro ..... Intamin ..... Out-And-Back (Prefab)
14. Legend ..... CCI ..... Terrain
15. Judge Roy Scream ..... Rosser / Cobb ..... Out-And-Back
16. Racer (KI) ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Out-And-Back
17. Jack Rabbit (Kennywood) ..... Mach ..... Out-And-Back
***** 18. Boss ..... CCI ..... Twisted Terrain *****
***** 19. Screamin' Eagle ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Out-And-Back *****
20. Thunderbolt (Kennywood) ..... Vettel ..... Terrain
21. Georgia Cyclone ..... Dinn ..... Twisted
22. Raven ..... CCI ..... Terrain
23. Gwazi, Lion ..... GCI ..... Twisted
24. Gwazi, Tiger ..... GCI ..... Twisted
25. Grizzly (KD) ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Out-And-Back
26. Blue Streak (CP) ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Out-And-Back
27. G.A.S.M. ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Out-And-Back
28. Rebel Yell ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Out-And-Back
29. Rolling Thunder (SFGAV) ..... Rosser / Cobb ..... Out-And-Back
30. Thunder Road ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Out-And-Back
***** 31. Arkansas Twister ..... Rosser / Black ..... Out-And-Back *****
32. Hurler (Carowinds) ..... International ..... Out-And-Back
33. Hurler (KD) ..... International ..... Out-And-Back
34. Cheetah ..... CCI ..... (Hybrid)
***** 35. Timber Wolf ..... Dinn ..... Out-And-Back *****
36. Racer (Kennywood) ..... Mach ..... Out-And-Back
37. Thunderhawk (Dorney) ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Out-And-Back
38. Mean Streak ..... Dinn ..... Twisted
39. Rattler ..... Pierce ..... Terrain
40. Scooby Doo's Ghoster (KD) ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Family
41. Fairly Odd Coaster (CW) ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Family
42. Fairly Odd Coaster (KI) ..... Philadelphia Toboggan ..... Family

Also, Big Thunder Mountain has a STEEL track so it has been removed from the woodens and put here:


92. Corkscrew (CP) ..... Arrow ..... Loop (Custom)
93. Windstorm ..... Zamperla ..... "Windstorm"
94. Big Thunder Mountain Railroad (WDW) ..... Disney ..... Mine Train (Custom-Hybrid)
95. Carolina Goldrusher ..... Arrow ..... Mine Train
96. Cedar Creek Mine Ride ..... Arrow ..... Mine Train
97. Dahlonega Mine Train ..... Arrow ..... Mine Train
98. Skull Mountain ..... Intamin ..... Enclosed Family Mine Train
99. Trailblazer ..... Arrow ..... Mine Train
***** 100. River King Mine Train..... Arrow ..... Mine Train *****
101. Wildcat (CP) ..... Schwarzkopf ..... "Wildcat"
102. Ricochet (KD) ..... Mack ..... Wild Mouse (Large Park)