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[The BeastFan]

^That's because you already mentioned it a page ago.

[Tyler Carlton]

Supposedly a Brazilian magazine has said that Hopi Hari will be getting an Intamin 12 inversion coaster. Here's a picture of the layout:

Looks awesome.

[Thunderhead]

Layout is done over in France. Wow. Remind me to hire the french to build my next $14 Million Invert.

http://www.potionmag...t1271-1150.html

[MorganFan]

I can dig it.
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Looks possibly more forceful than Batman.

[Tori Finlay]

Is there a full layout pic of this anywhere yet?

[MorganFan]

No, not yet. However, you can get a gist of the layout by looking at pics on the link that Thunderhead has provided.

Edited by MorganFan, 31 August 2011 - 08:30 AM.

[Tori Finlay]

Yeah, I figured, but I wanted to show my girlfriend, and it would be easier if I had a layout pic

Anyway, I'm not going to make entire topic for this, but Dorney's getting CGA's Invertigo, renamed stinger, and the logo is actually pretty awesome.
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[drachenfirebgw]

Layout is done over in France. Wow. Remind me to hire the french to build my next $14 Million Invert.

http://www.potionmag...t1271-1150.html

Between this, Leviathan, a possible dive machine at Mirabilandia, Swarm at Thorpe Park, and a possible wing rider at SFGAm, B&M is really expanding their horizons. This thing is so different than any other B&M Invert we've seen. Different angles, new transitions, unique maneuvers, and a very different layout. I absolutely love the looks of this ride.

Supposedly a Brazilian magazine has said that Hopi Hari will be getting an Intamin 12 inversion coaster. Here's a picture of the layout:

Looks awesome.

I saw this layout on the Intamin site a while back and actually saw someone do a NoLimits recreation of it. Very intriguing.

You guys remember the drawings for a Gravity Group dueler which included a 90 section where both angled in towards each other, dubbed a 'high five' element? Here are some pictures of it. One of them includes a view of the element. Looks pretty wicked.

Another note on this. PTC confirmed they were doing trains for this... we thought we'd be seeing Timberliners. I'm interested to see how long the PTC's hold up with such an aggressive, dueling layout. I'm guessing not well, but we will see.

Glad to see Dorney Park announce the Invertigo and change the name. I love the scheme, name, and logo. While I do baulk at the idea of three inverts at a park with eight roller coasters.

I mentioned this earlier but Mirabilandia recently opened up a poll to name their new roller coaster and all of the names suggest it will be a Dive Machine or Euro-Fighter, but the rumor all along has been a Dive Machine.

[The BeastFan]

I think we know how PTC's turn out on dueling coasters (Gwazi). I think after a year or so, they'll probably reconsider, especially when there is more word of mouth floating around on how well they ride, especially if they do well on Voyage if HW is still doing that.

On the Parc Asterix invert, I now see a trim on the straight section between the loop and the immelman.

Edited by The BeastFan, 01 September 2011 - 12:03 PM.

[Ryan Shrout]

I think we know how PTC's turn out on dueling coasters (Gwazi).

While Millennium Flyers are still the best wood coaster stock imo, PTCs aren't inherently bad. Gwazi is a very poor case study in terms of how they handle more aggressive layouts. The main problem on Gwazi is that they build a wood coaster in a place which has humidity in excess of 90% most days. Even now with the MFs on the track it still shimmies terribly. Its better than the jackhamering that used to happen but its still not good. I've been on multiple, older PTC rides which are still smoother than Gwazi with MFs. The constant hot and humid weather just warps the rails, and short of a complete retracking every 3 years or so, there's really nothing you can do about it.

[Coasterholic14]

I think we know how PTC's turn out on dueling coasters (Gwazi).

While Millennium Flyers are still the best wood coaster stock imo, PTCs aren't inherently bad. Gwazi is a very poor case study in terms of how they handle more aggressive layouts. The main problem on Gwazi is that they build a wood coaster in a place which has humidity in excess of 90% most days. Even now with the MFs on the track it still shimmies terribly. Its better than the jackhamering that used to happen but its still not good. I've been on multiple, older PTC rides which are still smoother than Gwazi with MFs. The constant hot and humid weather just warps the rails, and short of a complete retracking every 3 years or so, there's really nothing you can do about it.

You pretty much nailed it there. Though, the PTCs are probably responsible for a bit of the "damage" to the track that is causing those MFs to be a bit more rough, the Florida environment is not very friendly for wooden coasters. PTCs are not bad trains at all, as demonstrated by the fact that before GCI came out with MF trains, PTCs were probably on over 70% of coasters, and on most major coasters (at least in the US, we won't get into European knock-offs). PTCs are just not meant to handle the aggressive maneuvers and tight twists and heavy banking of GCIs (and some of Gravity Groups coasters). On those coasters, you're basically trying to push a rectangle around a circular track, which doesn't work out very well and results in lots of bumping and banging around...and can result in extra damage to the track. PTCs are perfect for out-and-back style coasters and ones with less aggressive maneuvers (even CCIs), but with the way new GCI and GG coasters are, they're not ideal at all.

[The BeastFan]

Ok, I get that PTC's are decent trains. I was thinking more along the lines of long term affects. One question I would ask though is if the track was designed for Timberliners, which would definitely present a problem for PTC's. That was my concern in making remarks about PTC's (though by the time of Gwazi's conception, MF's were still being developed).

[Coasterholic14]

Ok, I get that PTC's are decent trains. I was thinking more along the lines of long term affects. One question I would ask though is if the track was designed for Timberliners, which would definitely present a problem for PTC's. That was my concern in making remarks about PTC's (though by the time of Gwazi's conception, MF's were still being developed).

I will say I'm a bit confused by this decision as well. I mean, once GCI came out with their MF trains, they've used them on all their coasters since to a great success, and then have since replaced the PTC rolling stock on many of their older coasters (before MFs were developed) with the MFs to a moderate success. My only thought is perhaps Timberliners aren't quite ready to ride on the big boys yet? I mean, they opened on Wooden Warrior, but that's a pretty small wooden coaster. They've yet to be installed on Voyage, which was supposed to have them last year, so I'm wodering if they're just using PTCs until they can get their Timberliner's finished developing? Or it could be that they're a lot more expensive and they don't want to pay for it, so they go with the cheaper PTC rolling stock? But yea, that layout and the "high-five" maneuver are definitely going to take a toll on the trains probably, and the trains will probably take a toll on the track (like you mentioned with Gwazi).

[The BeastFan]

Upon another random browse on RCDB, I found that the inversion record may be broken again. Some Chinese park and manufacture are producing an 11 inversion coaster.


http://rcdb.com/9821.htm

I realize China is a big country, but can it really support all these new parks at the same time?

Edited by The BeastFan, 16 October 2011 - 12:43 AM.

[Reapers Ashes]

Wow i don't think id trust a company that hasnt built much to do that but a; alright then

Edited by deathfearsnone, 16 October 2011 - 12:53 AM.

[Ryan Shrout]

^In a way I agree that this will probably be a pretty bad coaster with lots of headbanging, jerking, and downtime. Then again, most Asian coaster companies just tend to knock off pre-existing designs anyway, the design they're using for the 11 Inversion coaster is basically the exact same think Intamin has already made twice, with an extra flip.

[The BeastFan]

Found this video showing the Parc Asterix inverted coaster testing. One may salivate over how it looks to ride. It takes that first overbank with some nice speed, something fierce.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=K_ncieFrrz8#!

Edited by The BeastFan, 16 October 2011 - 11:31 PM.

[Coasterholic14]

That thing looks quite tight! It looks like it should be a good intermediate inverted along the lines of Top Gun/Afterburn...we need to add it to the list of "coasters we'd like to see cloned"...pending the actual ride and how fast and intense it is.

[Ryan Shrout]

Given the trenches, I think it would be someone difficult (though still doable) to clone.

[The BeastFan]

Here's an update on the PortAventura hyper. Yes, there is confirmation that it's a hyper, named Shambhala. There is an alleged height of 249 ft on rcdb. Also, there is artwork, blueprints, etc roaming around. Screamscape has links to a few including this (scroll down a bit). So far, this thing looks massive with a nice highly banked, high altitude turn around. Definitely looks like a winner.

[Tyler Carlton]

Unfortunately that turn around is just a mock-up drawn by a fan. Most people I've heard from believe that the turnaround will likely be a Goliath at SFOG type helix. A turnaround shaped like the one drawn probably wouldn't be quite as circular as the one shown in the official overhead picture. That being said, don't be surprised to see a turnaround like that pop up on a NoLimits coaster near you soon.

[Ryan Shrout]

Who allegedly is going to build this hyper coaster? The initial artwork doesn't look like a track type I'm familiar with.

[Tyler Carlton]

All signs say its going to be B&M. I'd imagine they just some creative liberties on the track type while putting the sketches together, especially considering it shows the coaster set in the middle of the mountains somewhere.

[drachenfirebgw]

Unfortunately that turn around is just a mock-up drawn by a fan. Most people I've heard from believe that the turnaround will likely be a Goliath at SFOG type helix. A turnaround shaped like the one drawn probably wouldn't be quite as circular as the one shown in the official overhead picture. That being said, don't be surprised to see a turnaround like that pop up on a NoLimits coaster near you soon.

The supports/footer placement on the assumed blueprints indicate that the turnaround mocked up by a fan is more accurate to what it might actually look like rather than like Goliath's helix. Also, with the bold moves B&M's been taking recently I wouldn't be at all surprised if we saw something of that nature. Definitely will change the landscape at PortAventura, and that signature photograph of Dragon Khan.

Also, Toverland is getting a Mack Spinner.

[LeoRoy1902]

^That's because you already mentioned it a page ago.

Well, that's embarrassing.