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[The BeastFan]

Like the Carowinds' thread, I don't have much to start out this thread. However, I just learned via Screamscape that they have indeed confirmed that Invertigo will be removed for next year. Screamscape even elaborates that it may be part of the GCI actually going through. Thoughts?

[Tori Finlay]

Well, I guess we found Dorney's new coaster.

[biZarRo]

^It won't be going to Dorney because it already has two inverts and one shuttle. I honestly don't know a lot about CGA, but aren't they like the lowest ranked CF park? I think the cancelled GCI or something from Intamin could spruce up the park a lot.

[The BeastFan]

I think Invertigo would be better off scrapped. This is one that has a history of getting stuck a lot, kind of like Two Face at SFA. With that reputation, I'm not sure whether CF would keep it or its even worth selling. The only parks I could see it going to are Valleyfair or Michigan's Adventure.

I'm not so sure about anything being added though. There is no word if GCA has settled their dispute with the 49er's over a new stadium and what not, plus there is a concern with noise on a GCI, which is something GCA has been reprimanded for in the past. Overall, this park needs a lot more than one coaster to get itself back on track. Ever since the removal of Stealth (which, IMO, was one of the stupidest moves Paramount did), it's been going downhill.

[Tori Finlay]

I know it doesn't make any sense.
But they also put a second generation Intamin drop tower 100 feet from a tenth generation S&S drop tower.
So, I don't even pretend that Cedar Fair knows what its doing anymore. My point is, rumor was that we could get a recycled steel and suddenly a recycled steel pops up.
Also, Demon Drop would have been better off scrapped. It probably has more downtime than Invertigo.
Anyway, tossing a GCI in there does sort of fit, looking at the space. it just seems stupid to put a new woodie next to Grizzly, which I've heard is the worst wooden coaster out there?

[Tori Finlay]

Sorry to double post buuuut
It's confirmed. It's not being scrapped, but instead moved.

[biZarRo]

I just hope it's not going to Dorney, give it to a park that needs it, possably Valleyfair, since they don't have many major steel coasters right now. The only one I can think of is Wild Thing.

[The BeastFan]

In their press release, why in the world did CGA elude to the removal of Stealth? They're equating this to the worst decision the park has ever made? That's one of the worst PR takes for a park I've ever witnessed. They're trying to make it sound like a good thing when in all honesty, the park is dwindling. Just close the park already, CF, while you're at it...

[Tori Finlay]

Let's do a Cedar Fair knock out round.
Kings Island, Worlds of Fun, Canada's Wonderland, and Knott's Berry Farm all have boomerangs or an actual Invertigo in the case of Kings Island. So that rues them out.
We're left with:
Cedar Point: Could get it just to reclaim their Coaster Crown.
Valleyfair!: Hasn't had a new coaster in 4 years, only has 1 invert.
Michigan's Adventure: Only has 2 "big" steel coasters, has 1 invert. Last got "new" coaster in 2008, and before that 1999.
Dorney Park: Last got "new" coaster in 2008, but has 2 inverts.

Something tells me KD won't get it, simply because they already have a lot of coasters, and they just got i305 last year.
Honestly, there really is no reason it shouldn't be going to Valleyfair!

[Vater]

Just close the park already, CF, while you're at it...

I'm sure that's in the cards. All signs point to CGA eventually becoming a water park, a la Geauga Lake.

[Tori Finlay]

http://newsplusnotes...orney-park.html

[Tyler Carlton]

http://www.kingsdomi...l.cfm?ai_id=158

Interesting, but the person who posted that link over at CoasterCrazy also posted the same link that Epi did. Needless to say I have no idea what is going on.

[biZarRo]

Moving Invertigo to DP would be the worse than the removal of Stealth. They already have two inverts, one shuttle, and if it goes on Laser's lot, a yellow coaster right next to another yellow coaster. Valletfair should be the one to get it. KD could possibly get it by removing Shockwave ( ) and putting it there but they just got Planet Snoopy and 305 last year, so probably not.

[Reapers Ashes]

I really don't care where it goes as long as its not michigan adventures or cedar point

Edited by deathfearsnone, 30 January 2011 - 10:41 AM.

[The BeastFan]

If one remembers...Six Flags Great America pulled off 2 shuttle inverts and a full circuit one nicely (BTR, V2 and Deja Vu). Just because it doesn't seem logical doesn't mean it won't happen (look at La Ronde's latest addition, an SLC at a park with a BTR clone). Also, impulse coasters and boomerangs are 2 totally different ride experiences. Impulses are FAR less intense than their Vekoma counterparts. I could see this going to Dorney easily.

[drachenfirebgw]

Kings Dominion has already stated they aren't removing Shockwave anytime soon, especially considering it just a station touch up job, a new lift motor, and has all King Cobra's old parts and trains to pull from. If it goes to KD it'd fit perfectly into HyperSonic XLC's former location and add some life to that side of the park again. And I've torn up KD's website and to no avail have seen the Invertigo page with the exception of clicking on that link. Though notice the stats from the link at the same as the KI webpage stats for their Invertigo, (note it's located in the Action Zone and KD doesn't have one). Thus, it could be a glitch considering the KI and KD websites run off the same template. Honestly I thought GL's Mind Eraser would go to KD and fit well in that spot and Dominator would land elsewhere, turned out I was wrong, but you see my point.

In their press release, why in the world did CGA elude to the removal of Stealth? They're equating this to the worst decision the park has ever made? That's one of the worst PR takes for a park I've ever witnessed. They're trying to make it sound like a good thing when in all honesty, the park is dwindling. Just close the park already, CF, while you're at it...

Sorry but I completely disagree, yes, removing an iconic signature roller coaster isn't the greatest PR idea, but I've ridden the ride at Carowinds as it now stands as Nightwalk and it is legitament one of the worst roller coasters I've ever ridden. It's obvious this was a prototype and no wonder Paramount Parks choose not to invest in two more of these things (despite the fact that the new one were a bit better) after seeing this product. If I lived in Northern California I'd much rather have a water park than that heap of steel. And of course the reference the move because they they feel it was successful and I agree. The fact is people are still coming and CGA is still making a profit. I was more upset about the removal of Greezed Lightnin' rather than Stealth because I'm an enthusiast would loves the old Schwarzkopfs. That and the ride's old footers are still there and they've done nothing with it's former site.

Now the other opinions. There's obviously Dorney Park, which seems to be the favorite with rumors swirling that they want it up by June of this year. I don't see a problem with this move at all. It's be a solid addition and fit well into that space, but it's not the best choice by any means. The could do so much more with that area, (cough) GCI woodie, and it'd be there third invert and while I know they are all different but still. Makes you scratch your head.

Valleyfair is by far the best choice, but it probably won't get it. They are the only park in the chain without an Invert and this would fit nicely in a compact footprint somewhere within the park.

Michigan's Adventure while they just got the Thunderhawk invert isn't' a bad choice, but it could be better used at a park with space constrictions unlike MA's, which has a ton of land to build onto.

And back to CGA. They say they have a new replacement attraction in mind already. Whatever that attraction is I believe tells us the fate of CGA. If it is a flat ride that can easily be relocated to another park then it means Cedar Fair is about to kick CGA's can. Note Cedar Fair is going through a dramatic change, Kinzel will be retiring soon and he will be replaced by not one but two headmen, his son and then another whose name I forget as he was just voted in not too long ago. A couple things could happen, Kinzel would wipeout CGA before he leaves or new management could if they decide it's not worth trying to run the park right beside the 49ers new stadium. However, if they build a significant new, perminant ride like the GCI woodie proposed a while back then Kinzel's party is in favor of not closing CGA as there is no point in investing a ton of money into the park if you're just going to close it.

There's also the question of if Cedar Fair knows that CGA will eventually be closing and has already made that decision, they have to think about where certain rides would go in the Invertigo decision. Valleyfair isn't going to go after Invertigo if they know they would have the best shot at Flight Deck. Most of CGA's rides and roller coasters would be easily relocatable. I think the park has incredible potential even with the stadium being built, however, it's not like I can do anything about it.

[The BeastFan]

I want to clear something up before it gets out of hand here. Most people on this site should be aware of this, but for those that don't, here's a little FYI...

There is a glitch in the old Paramount site system that Cedar Fair still utilizes among those parks. If you happen to do a google search and mix-match rides from each park, you could see things like Beast at Kings Dominion, Volcano at Carowinds, etc. This also happens to be the case for Invertigo, which can appear on the KD, Carowinds, Canada Wonderland and GCA sites as well. Excluding GCA, the info on said Invertigo matches Kings Island's. So, in other words, just because you google search Invertigo at the other former Paramount Parks doesn't mean its going there.

Examples...

http://www.kingsdomi...l.cfm?ai_id=158
http://www.kingsdomi...l.cfm?ai_id=156
http://www.kingsdomi...l.cfm?ai_id=163

EDIT: This is mainly between mix-matches between Kings Island and Kings Dominion. I just tested a few things and its just between those two parks.

[greatbearrush]

I think Valleyfair, Michigan's Adventure, and King's Dominion are the 3 most logical prospects for Invertigo. Unfortunately, there are just so many bad signs pointing to Dorney being the recipient.
-One, Laser's clearing is easy and as stated above, it would allow for the coaster to be put up and ready for the 2011 season.
-Two, Dorney is in the most competitive spot of all of the CF parks who need the coaster. SFGA, Hershey, and the beaches in NJ and Delaware all attract attention over the summer, and Dorney is smack in the middle of them. They need to keep up with them to stay in the race because honestly, I feel that Dorney is losing, out of the 3 competing parks. MA is the only major park in Michigan, Valleyfair! is the only park in Minnesota, and King's Dominion's only competition is SFA, which they don't need to worry about, and Busch Gardens, which has been doing more subtraction than addition of late.
-Three, Allentown isn't a poor city, but they are struggling because of the economy and they are an industrial area, and industry has been hit the hardest. Dorney wants to compete with other parks but they don't want to spend alot of money, because raising the price of admission could mean less guests in a tight-budgeted area. The solution is hand-me-down rides that are new and exciting but cost next to nothing to be moved and built there (Note all of Dorney's rides have been hand-me-down since Hydra).

I really hope it doesn't go to Dorney because they deserve a new, non-hand-me-down coaster, and they need a wooden coaster much more than they need a steel coaster, much less another invert.

[Tori Finlay]

Getting something that is actually new would boost the competition for Dorney anyway. And the fact that this is rumored to be a maintenance nightmare would mean higher maintenance costs as compared to a reliable coaster, like a GCI. It might be a cute quick fix, but with this AND Demon Drop, they're going to be shelling out money for maintenance, not to mention compensating security and first aid every time it gets stuck, and then compensating guests everytime they have an issue with it.
And Dorney's competition is not only Hershey and SFGAdv, but also Knoebels, Clementon, Kennywood, and as you mentioned, the beaches. It attracts thousands of people from Philly and New York every weekend, and it just takes one quick google search to find out the issues this ride had. Besides, word travels fast. It may have been Demon Drop's opening year, but I head from a ridiculous amount of generally very ignorant guests that Demon Drop sucked.

[Tyler Carlton]

I want to clear something up before it gets out of hand here. Most people on this site should be aware of this, but for those that don't, here's a little FYI...

There is a glitch in the old Paramount site system that Cedar Fair still utilizes among those parks. If you happen to do a google search and mix-match rides from each park, you could see things like Beast at Kings Dominion, Volcano at Carowinds, etc. This also happens to be the case for Invertigo, which can appear on the KD, Carowinds, Canada Wonderland and GCA sites as well. Excluding GCA, the info on said Invertigo matches Kings Island's. So, in other words, just because you google search Invertigo at the other former Paramount Parks doesn't mean its going there.

My bad on posting the misleading link. I just saw it at another site and didn't think to do any more research into it. I guess the user just exploited the web site glitch and caught me being curious.

And on the actual ride, I'm kind of secretly hoping that Cedar Fair throws Michigan's Adventure a bone on this one. Despite being a maintenance nightmare, I think Invertigo could be a nice fit for Michigan's Adventure. If given a color scheme vastly different to Thunderhawk then I think the gp wouldn't have too much of a problem differentiating them. And with a park like MiA, every new ride is welcome in my book. Unfortunately it looks like absolutely none of the signs are pointing in that direction.

[Tori Finlay]

I honestly think Valleyfair! and Michigan's Adventure are in desperate need of a new coaster. We got on in 2008 and I would rather have one in 2012 than one rush-delivered and likely to not be open until August.

[The BeastFan]

Well, according to Screamscape, GCA announced a 2012 addition (which probably means the park will remain open) and that it will not be a GCI.

[Tori Finlay]

Which means there's still that extra GCI floating about. Wonder where that'll land, if not at CGA.

[Tyler M]

With Great America now sold (almost) to JMA Ventures, it makes you wonder what the future of the park is. JMA Ventures and the 49ers are in on this. Remember that the 49ers want to build a new stadium, but an issue with the park and the lawsuit kept that from them. Now that JMA and San Francisco 49ers are apart of the deal, I wonder if that will allow them to build a new stadium for the team. The deal is for only $70 million.

[The BeastFan]

Now to wonder where CGA's rides will end up. Vortex, Psycho Mouse, or Flight Deck to Kings Island please.