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#1001 Sam Natcher

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Posted 25 February 2015 - 11:16 PM

I guess I am one of the exceptions that I actually enjoy Mean Streak they way it is (but I also like Boss at SFStL lol). It seemed to be running so much better by the end of the year. Not saying I would be against the RMC treatment at all though. I think it could be transformed into an awesome creation if they proceeded with that project. If I had to guess, I would agree with Andy though, that any major project done to Mean Streak would after the anniversary.

 

As for Gemini, I would hate to see anything drastic changed on it, nor do I see that happening. With the revitalization done to the Gemini Midway, Gemini is still the centerpiece of that area. Its ridership was 5th for coasters last year, and its a fun coaster that most of family can enjoy together. That is the theme of that area, family fun, from Camp Snoopy to Pipe Scream, Monster & LE Eagles.


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Posted 25 February 2015 - 11:33 PM

No one makes a one-size-fits-all OTSR. I am taller than normal, so it is the shoulder part that makes contact and hurts on some. However, I don't even remember feeling them on Avatar Airbender, Volcano, and Wicked Twister. After looking at the colors, it seems that your picture could have been taken on Fahrenheit or Kingda Ka, two other good rides that have restraints that were not a problem.

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Posted 26 February 2015 - 06:18 AM

You are right the picture is for kingda ka, I have not ridden volcano or wicked twister but I have been on possessed at dorney. The suspended chassis had a different style restraint more like arrow used to have. The vest style restraints on i305 do look comfortable.

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Posted 26 February 2015 - 12:43 PM

Yea Gemini is certainly a great "tweener" coaster for kids and adults. It's a good transition coaster and I don't think a whole lot of people really complain about that one too much. I've had good rides on Mean Streak, but it's not run well enough consistently for me to say it's REALLY worth keeping as is. I considered maybe talking about a topper track redo, but I think that would be too hard to market as a new ride unless they did a drastic layout change like they would with Iron Horse track.


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Posted 04 March 2015 - 12:16 AM

I keep hearing of more flat rides being moved or taken out. It sure seems like something big is going in one area.

 

The "fixing" of Mean Streak is easy.  It has been trimmed to death. Simply take them off.  On the other hand, they were probably put in for a good reason.  I suspect they thought that it was going too fast and was going to tear itself apart. 


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Posted 29 March 2015 - 09:47 AM

I recently watched Andrew & Danny's COASTER-net Uncut episode regarding the future of Cedar Point. I'm on the same page, I believe 2020 with be the 20th (as you stated, a thing with numbers).
 
We're already looking at 2015 with the Rougarou conversion and all the other park changes. While, no doubt, this cost some money, it still allows room in the budget plus the upcoming returns to spend on a big ride in 2016, 2018 and 2020 (which, if each of those is coasters, will make it to 20 seeing as the park counts Pipe Scream). We see that the park (and chain overall) is not afraid to make changes seeing as this conversion is taking place. While the skating show was popular, the theater had some structural issues and, seeing as it sits on prime real estate, it was a smarter idea to remove it Now we got that open land sitting there.
 
With that said, the moving of the rides that were there (and the removing of Turnpike Cars) shows that the area is being prepped for use soon and not way down the road (2020). I don't think that the park would do another renovation (a la RMC doing Mean Streak) immediately after the Mantis conversion. 
 
I think we'll see construction start during the season and an announcement in August regarding that leaked Dive Machine. That's a lot of room for a Dive Machine and there will still be room left after the construction. With the Cedars rumored to be removed following this season, there is tons of room. The coaster could be a major marketing tool for the park. Only the third Dive Machine in the US, first in the Midwest yada yada (what you'd come to expect to be listed). However, it would also set records like the only park with 5 coasters over 200 feet, tallest, longest, fastest, most inverted Dive Machine (etc....). However, correct me if I'm wrong....but at 223 feet, wouldn't it be the tallest coaster with inversions? Reaching 80 mph, wouldn't it be the fastest? I know I'm listing off random records, but you know they would claim it under the records list. I also believe, seeing as a "loop" was mentioned in the "leaked plans", with a speed of 80 miles per hour, it could definitely complete the worlds tallest loop! I'm not sure if they'll go for tallet inversion all together and take it from GateKeeper but I could see that record coming along. Sorry for rambling on about that, but you know that, if there's a record to be claimed after a coaster is built, Cedar Point will claim it.
 
The Dive Coaster would bring us to #18 (including Pipe Scream like the park does). Going into 2017, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Mean Streak renovation happen at this time. Mantis got more riders than Mean Streak did and that coaster ended up facing a renovation (which will not only improve ridership, but shorten the weight times with quicker dispatch AND three trains). So I think Mean Streak will face a redo. It'll probably get the Iron Horse treatment and become a great ride again. However, this would lower Cedar Point down to just one wooden coaster. I could also see a waterpark expansion occurring here and the rides that "survive" in challenge park (Might only be RipCord) being moved into the gates to get more people to ride them (SlingShot makes mad bank). SkyScraper may make the move but I think we'll be saying goodbye to mini-golf and the Go-Karts. The Go-Karts have been biting the dust at most of the other Cedar Fair parks and that Mini-Golf course isn't in the best shape!
 
In 2018, I could see that dark ride/coaster coming. It'll probably be the first coaster since Maverick that wasn't a B&M. However, this all depends on where it goes. I could see it NOT being a coaster if it went in in the Pirate Ride location and just expanded a bit. However, it also could be. At this point, I'll say it will be and it'll be in that area. Just thinking because, after Disaster Transport closed, they said they were "looking for a ride to fill that void". That could just mean a dark ride, but I took it as a dark ride/coaster combo. Take it as you will. That could bring us to #19.
 
In 2019, getting ready for the big year. I could see some new kiddie rides added to the kid areas. I so badly want to say that a B&M Family Coaster would appear, but that would make us reach #20 prematurely (if we really think the 20th will be in 2020).
 
2020 will be a big year. The parks 150th, Millennium Force will be turning 20 etc... Many speculate that this is the year that a big record breaker will be added. I, for some reason, feel like it'll be a wooden coaster. Get the wooden count back up to 2 and it celebrates the past while also embracing the future. Whether its a good GCI or a monster RMC, I just have a feeling the 20th will be a wooden coaster (as long as Mean Streak gets the conversion to steel. If it can be saved for wood, that'd be awesome, but that'd cost a lot more in the long run I believe wouldn't it?).
 
Anyway, just my speculation and, of course, these can happen in any order. But I am excited to see what the next 5 years will bring. I may be moving out of the area in the next year or so, but I will definitely be coming back to the park yearly. Heck, if the Dive Machine stuff ends up being true, I am excited for it! 

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Posted 02 April 2015 - 09:48 PM

From Tony Clark:

In honor of World Autism Awareness Day, Cedar Point will turn the lights blue on the GateKeeper and Millennium Force roller coasters and the Power Tower thrill ride as a part of the Autism Speaks worldwide “Light It Up Blue” campaign. This global awareness campaign was adopted by the United Nations in 2007 to help shine a bright light on autism as a growing global health crisis. Cedar Point continues its preparations for the upcoming season, which begins on Saturday, May 9.

 

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Posted 06 April 2015 - 06:41 PM

It's a shame the Dragster tower lights don't work anymore.


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Posted 07 April 2015 - 09:24 AM

Which lights don't work?

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 11:42 AM

The two vertical lights hey had when it first opened.  They only worked through the 2005 season.  They were almost the same type of lights as the Trade Center memorial lights.  Also a bunch of the lights in the in field are broken and or gone.  I'm looking for a picture but can't seem to find one.


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Posted 07 April 2015 - 12:34 PM

I know a bunch of the high powered spots were taken off a number of the rides because the power grid couldnt handle it.  The only reason MF got its lights back were because of low powered led options being developed.  I missed the 2003 season of TTD but I really dont remember any other lights.  The ride is pretty lit up at night now...just boring white light, but still bright.  Could those spots change color?


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Posted 07 April 2015 - 01:10 PM

After seeing pictures of fury's lift hill I think every park should consider these led light strands on at least one signature coaster. On the track or supports it could really add character. They could use fiber optic cable to make it simpler to install and maintain.

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Posted 07 April 2015 - 04:08 PM

The LED chasers on Blue Streak look great.

 

And Dragsters lights were just white, no color changing.


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Posted 07 April 2015 - 09:01 PM

What a wonderful appreciation CP is doing for the "light it up blue" campaign for autism's. Kudos to cedar fair. On the 5-year plan, every speculation really make sense from everyone's point of you. But, what I really think what's going to happen starting next year is a big announcement of RMC being built where the good time theater and all then open spaces they'll have after the dorm has been demolished. Honestly, this dive coaster is an joke. You can tell from my prev. post on this rumor dive coaster. I think it'll be a waste odlf land and a coaster to have at the capital of the roller coast. It really doesn't make any sense. Believe me, I have Shiekra at my back yard park. And its not that exciting or a world beater after riding it the first time or so. Yeah. I can hear the argument of hers only 2 in the state and its something new for people in Ohio. However, knowing that this is a thrill ride, I'm pretty sure enthusiasts in Ohio have been on Griffon/Shiekra and can't say its a world class ride. It's not! Going in Andrew statement on certain B&M rides like the dive coaster and others being gimmick rides. Thas what they are. Why woukd CP lower their standarda to out another gimmick ride and clear all that land for a gimmick coaster?? Theres Nothing to brag or to rave about a dive coaster. Unless its something diff. And has a uniqueness to it.
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Posted 07 April 2015 - 09:18 PM

Oops! Long story short, with the Winter chill-out event hinting Outlaw run pic. This yr. I wouldn't be surprised if a new RMC coaster is built ground up from the Marina clear path area. I Also believe possible a launch RMC as well. Which coukd beat Diollywood to the punch. As far as Mean steak goes, I believe 2020 big coaster will replace Mean streak area. It makes sense with that Huge amt of land and something to visit at the back of the park. Love maverick! But adding another big ride in frontier land would be nice/needed. Who knows, Gemini is another one that I just feel it may be replaced with a small family GCI coaster and a flat ride(top spin?). Or possibly a Mack family dual ride to replace it in 2018. Dark ride could still be at the arcade building. Wouldn't cost more to build it there. At the endof the day, this is what we live for lol. Rumors and speculation. Gotta love it! Lol. A unexpected guess/WTF would be the Andy's thought on CP beating Orlando on creating the first 500ft coaster. That would blow my mind away!! Wouldn't that ve something? Dick Kinzel would be proud of it.
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Posted 07 April 2015 - 09:20 PM

I enjoy me some Griffon and Sheikra, but they aren't my favorite coasters in their parks.  CP would be better off installing a B&M Flyer over a Dive Coaster.  I mean, the dueling flyers is one of the oldest rumors at the park, haha. 

 

I've always thought that a high quality GCI woodie would be great in that plot, with the lift going up alongside the road where Turnpike was, and then a sweeping turn that drops down right by the Marina park gate, and then utilizing the Turnpike bridge/tunnel.  But that was way before they announced removing Goodtime and moving all those other rides.  Honestly, they don't need Cad cars there anymore either, Antique Cars is more than enough, as most parks don't even have one car ride anymore, let alone one park that had 3. 


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Posted 07 April 2015 - 09:54 PM

You may be right and I agree on your idea of a high quality GCI being built around the marina gate. Well, we'll know hopefully by fall and realized its either a dive coaster, dark ride, or something completely new. But I'm sticking with my RMC rumor. I'm curious what enjoyment do you get out of a dive coaster? Even though both are literally the same, just a ft taller on griffon.. Do you see yourself riding it more than once during a visit? I usually just ride it once or just skip it at BGT. Falcon Fury, Kumba and Montu are my repeat rides. Cheetah hunt is great, but no intensity like Maverick. Great triple launch system ride, but that's really it.
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Posted 07 April 2015 - 10:12 PM

I actually get a kick of how smooth it is and the vertical hold and drop have a great feeling to them.  Normally when I go to Williamsburg, we go for a few days and it's not about getting as many laps on the coasters as possible but more about enjoying the park and food and the whole package.  My favroite part of Griffon is actually the first turn out of the station.  When you sit on the far left, that turn goes so incredibly fast.  It's just a good feeling.


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Posted 08 April 2015 - 06:19 AM

That is very true. But unfortunately BGT is no where near of having that whole package like Williamsburg. When I went last yr. to BGW, I was very impressed on the detail of the park and the food selection from each country you visit each section at the park. The landscaping and the cleanliness is far superior than the one in Tampa. Don't get me wrong, I love my home park and I believe it has a better ride collection than Williamsburgs. But thats it, everything else VA trumps it. The zoo aspect just ruins it for me. There's already a independent zoo park call Lowery Park. I hear you on griffon. Its the same way I felt on shiekra as well.
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Posted 08 April 2015 - 10:56 AM

I agree, Williamsburg is much cleaner and much more beautiful park.  But the thing that does it the most for me is that the staff at BGT are terrible.  They have no pep in their step and they are usually rude.  Also don't get me started on Central Florida guests, worse than the guests at SFGAdv.


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Posted 15 April 2015 - 11:18 AM

100% on point with BGT staff. I feel like I'm at a Six flags park in Fl. I don't know, Jersey folks are pretty bad. I wouldn't go that far. But prob. true with if you include all the college students and the international a-holes at all theme parks in Orlando.


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Posted 15 April 2015 - 12:14 PM

well our new news article says that every CF park will be getting a dark ride...so as always its not a matter of if but when.


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