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[Vicarious Chair]

I'm 15 and I know I won't be traveling to Alton anytime soon, but just to watch the creation of out-of-the-ordinary american rides is what makes a real coaster-enthusiast. And how do you lose interest after being told not to guess? Beastfan didn't mean it like the way you took it, anyways. He said not to guess because Alton is so secretive.

[Coaster Sim. Fan]

Over the years some of the rides I looked forwards to seeing updates on the most during constriction where rides that chancres are I will never get to ride. Its just fun to watch what the industry is up to, especially when its a unique ride.

[nicktellephone]

I'm 15 and I know I won't be traveling to Alton anytime soon, but just to watch the creation of out-of-the-ordinary american rides is what makes a real coaster-enthusiast. And how do you lose interest after being told not to guess? Beastfan didn't mean it like the way you took it, anyways. He said not to guess because Alton is so secretive.

Who cares if they're so secretive. The whole point of this thread is to try to predict what Alton might get.

[HAJiME]

Well, when I was that young I was stil interested in potentially going when I was older.

Aside that, like I explaiend with the dive machine example, don't you ever see a coaster elsewhere and go "wow ii wish my local park had one, it would fit in perfectly."

Like how I think Thorpe Park should get one of those mini-mega coasters like Piraten.

[ImagineerTez]

Has anyone got them concept images as when i went to look they where deleted and when my school went to alton towers about humn a week ago the guy said that they were of the new ride? Also he said that there isn't going to be "any wooden coasters ever because of the neighbours complaining about the noise level" he also said that to solve this they "build a big hole in the ground and still the coaster in it" so yes, he also tried to stay away from the corkscrew coaster as much as he could for some reason as i asked him some questions e.g Is it going to replace corkscrew and what's happening to the black hole tent he answered any other questions i threw at him. Also he said there's a "new coaster in planning" so as far as i go on information that makes me positive it's going to be a coaster i don't know where though but he said it was going to be a coaster for definite. I think it's either going in X-Sector or Where corkscrew is as it's old and worn out and really hurts your chin. =[ It's going to be something origanal as he said "We like to be first in everything" so hopefully this coaster is going to be a first. =]

[Ryan Shrout]

Alright I had a really hard time reading that but from what I think you said, that sounds like good news. Of course I have my doubts about how much employee banter you can actually trust but if its true, it looks like Alton whill get another inovative coaster in the next few years.

[HAJiME]

^^Your post made me cry.

There's this thing, called a full stop. Yanks call it a period, because they get it confused with a woman's menstrual cycle somehow... But anyway, use it. Please. For all our sakes.

[nicktellephone]

^HA HA!

[Ryan Shrout]

^Thank you so much for that very informative post. I would suggest however that you read the forum rules before posting anything else in any other forum.

Back on topic, I"m seriously wondering if Alton could somehow pull off a coaster that was almost entirely underground. I have no idea about the soil conditions in the area or haor stable that would be but I'm still trying to think of ways that Alton could get a woodie which they really do need. One idea would be an old RCT2 ride that just about everyone new to the game has created at some time or another. A ride where off the cain it dives underground and then from that point on only the crests of the hills are above ground with the valleys bellow ground. Personally I think the whole ide of the neighbors complaining because of noise is pretty stupid anyway. What about Oblivion? Its the only B&M not filled with sand for sound dampening and I'm sure the screams from the riders make plenty of noise as well. I don't here too many people complaining that they should take it down.

[nicktellephone]

^I suggest you stop telling me what to.

Now, if they were to put a coaster almost completely underground, it would be cool if it was a B&M floorless. Station 30-40 feet above ground with a 40 ft. chain lift, then have the first drop dive under ground. Then have a loop that is a little above ground level and have a path run under the top of the loop.

[Disney Dood]

^ I'd suggest you take his advice to avoid breaking forum rules. It's not like he wants to be a d!ck, he's trying to not get you banned!

[Doobz]

^And he's must be the ONLY one trying to not get him banned.

I've always been a fan of the woody idea. But that would probably get too loud and piss off the neighbors. So the most likely thing is a steel coaster with sand filled rails. I think a custom Euro-Fighter or a B&M coaster like Dæmonen would fit in well.

[TwiDragon]

There has been a lot of cussing lately. I thought the limit was over was PGish. Its annoying
Yeah a wooden coaster would cause some noise, but it would be cool to see them get a looping coaster!

[Ryan Shrout]

Now, if they were to put a coaster almost completely underground, it would be cool if it was a B&M floorless. Station 30-40 feet above ground with a 40 ft. chain lift, then have the first drop dive under ground. Then have a loop that is a little above ground level and have a path run under the top of the loop.

I actually raelly like that idea. The half submerged loop is one of my favorite ellementson craken because of the headchoppers entering and exiting the manouver. Also Alton could use a floorless. I think I would still rather tham find a way to get a wood. I've hear that Intamin Pre-fabs are a lot smother than normal wooden coasters, are they any quieter?

[Doobz]

^El Toro was pretty loud, though that may just have been because the size and/or being really close to the ride.

[nicktellephone]

^I think you were just close to El Toro. Although it does sound like a helicopter when the trains go over the airtime hills.

I actually raelly like that idea. The half submerged loop is one of my favorite ellementson craken because of the headchoppers entering and exiting the manouver. Also Alton could use a floorless. I think I would still rather tham find a way to get a wood. I've hear that Intamin Pre-fabs are a lot smother than normal wooden coasters, are they any quieter?

They are as smooth as B&M Hypers. If not, smoother.

[TwiDragon]

Alton should get a nice mini dropper. Oblivion has one big drop and thats it. A mini 100ft Hyper would help the park. You could also put sand in the track to reduce the noise!

[HAJiME]

Lol. 100ft is too tall.

Oblivion is only 80ft above ground.

Nemesis is, about... a few metres above ground. lol.

It's hard to tell what "above ground" is at Alton though. Because most of it is a valley which starts at the carpark and dips down 200ft before coming back up the other side.

So they have plenty of room for a near 200ft mega coaster, and I'm kind of shocked they don't look into a B&M hyper, It would mean taking out a ...lot of trees, but if they were considering a woodie in the same space that would have taken out more trees because of the intrusive supports. Perhaps the maintainance of keeping the woodland a safe cropped distance away from the coaster is a problem? But a B&M hyper would be far quieter than a wood, especially with attention made to further quietening it with sand.

That is probably really visually hard to understand, so here we go...



Top left, car park. You can see Nemesis and Air at the far back of the park up there too.
Now move your eyes right into the mass of trees which dip down like a huge dent in the ground. That's the valley. Far right you'll see it joins up near Rita.

Where Rita is is the easiest place in the park to gain planning permission, aparently, but there's a lack of space there.

[Ryan Shrout]

Alright, that picture just showed me something. I know the problem with building a woody is that the neighbors were complaining about noise. But what neighbors?! I see a bunch of empty fields.

[nicktellephone]

Those trees keep complaining!

[Vicarious Chair]

Yeah, I don't understand that. It's not like the sound is echoing from the park that loudly...

[HAJiME]

Alright, that picture just showed me something. I know the problem with building a woody is that the neighbors were complaining about noise. But what neighbors?! I see a bunch of empty fields.

That side of the park isn't so bad. It's Oblivion's side that is, you can't see iton that map.

Alton village is smaller than the park itself. But even the village isn't REALLY the problem. It's ONE family who live particually close to the park and have done since before Corkscrew was there.

Hopefully, they'll die soon.

The problem with the majority of the locals is they do not want unatural structures ruining the landscape. That's fair enough. In fact, if I lived in that village... Lots would piss me off. That road through it gets chocker block when the park opens and closes. And it is the smallest two lane road I have ever seen. Going to Alton Towers in a coach is a terrifying experiance.

This is Alton Village, you can see the park's Hotels in the top left and part of Air... And the mass of trees which make up the non-park side of the valley.


Off to the right is Alton village, the mass of trees at the front is how they got away with building Rita. You can see Rita, it's the smidgen of red just right of centre.
A road passes through from the right through those trees. That is the main road to the park. It passes Oblivion. See the lake? Just below it is a building, and next to that Oblivion. It's RIGHT on the park's boarder. The problematic family live on the plot of land oposite the road, to my understanding.

[p4ul]

I went to Alton towers last week and never realised just how close that house is to oblivion.

Basically picture this.
There is oblivion, one small row of trees, a narrow road and then the house is right there.
total distance is about 100-200ft, so you can understand way they complain a lot.
Having said that the house isn't very well maintained it just seems that they want a very large payoff for Alton to buy it.

The family in question have already got 1 ride removed and the annual fireworks display cancelled, so you can see what they are dealing with.


As for cutting the trees down to make room, this is the reason the 200ft drop woodie was shelved in 2003. The park wanted to cut 140 trees down and the locals protested more here http://www.towerstim...lans/woodie.htm.

Shame as it would of been some woodie. Not many parks could build a 70ft coaster with a 200ft drop.

There's no doubt that if it wasn't for the height restrictions then Alton towers would have some massive coasters on the scale that you see in the USA.
Having said that the height restriction works in there favour and forces them to come up with ideas like Nemesis and oblivion

[REDSKIN_MASTER]

At HP there is a que line agenst the fence that marks the parks border, then there is a road up agenst the fence then there is a house with no front yard........and you never hear them complaining and HP has 3 wooden coasters.

[nicktellephone]

Yeah. Right across the street from lightning racer there are houses but I'm pretty sure if you want to live in Hershey, PA, you probably:

1. Figure there will be noise from the park that you will hear from your house.
2. Have to agree to something saying you won't complain about loud noises from the park.

Those are just opinions. I really don't know what you have to do to live in Hershey, PA. I was just throwing those thoughts out there.